I am currently trying to tweak my mage to throw out the max dps. I currently am using a hybrid talent setup for extra damage when I crit.
I have seen 4k Firebolts and 6800 on Pyroblasts from time to time with this setup. However I want to be sure I am setup for the most DPS I can throw with the gear I have.
Any Suggestions? I am sure there are some mages out their that have some advice.
»armory.worldofwarcraft.com/chara···a&n=Zaap
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Mike
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clubs: [Seti@Home] [Folding@Home] [Team RC5] 10/48/3 is pretty much the fire mage standard.
I use a variant of it since I really like magic absorb (free 2 super mana pots on a resist fight)
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Wrath
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Throw more dots!
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ChicagoSid
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I will try the 10/48/3 again.. and see if there is a difference in the DPS output. I suspect it will change but it will be one of thoes changes I don't see right away since the jumbo crits will be lower.
I suspect the overall damage will increase with the extra firepower used in the fire tree.
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Mike
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clubs: [Seti@Home] [Folding@Home] [Team RC5] 5 scorch, 9 fireballs, scorch, 9 fireballs, scorch, ect.
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chaud
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10/48/3 > your big crits.
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grizdefea
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Make sure you are using Combustion and any trinkets you have, in long raid boss fights. I have always slacked on that and seem to do just fine... tell I got a dps gauge. then my 560 dps went up to 800-1k dps. It really makes a difference.
10/48/3 Is the highest DPS build for PVE in the game for a mage. I actually got bored at work and did a lot of research to this topic. went to a lot of theory craft sites. Just remember you want your spell hit somewhere around 60-80 for PVE for that only 1% chance to miss, then work on Spell Dmg and Crit, but don't gimp yourself on Int and Stam by doing so.
8k unbuffed health and mana is a good target, cause there is nothing better than watching a mage with 5k health go nuts with his 40% crit and 1.5k spell dmg, pull a boss off the tank and get one shotted before the tank can pick it up.
If you do have really low spell dmg then Arcane Fire can increase your Dps but once you hit about 500 plus then Fire is the way to go.
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said by grizdefea See Profile :
Make sure you are using Combustion and any trinkets you have, in long raid boss fights. I have always slacked on that and seem to do just fine... tell I got a dps gauge. then my 560 dps went up to 800-1k dps. It really makes a difference.
10/48/3 Is the highest DPS build for PVE in the game for a mage. I actually got bored at work and did a lot of research to this topic. went to a lot of theory craft sites. Just remember you want your spell hit somewhere around 60-80 for PVE for that only 1% chance to miss, then work on Spell Dmg and Crit, but don't gimp yourself on Int and Stam by doing so.
8k unbuffed health and mana is a good target, cause there is nothing better than watching a mage with 5k health go nuts with his 40% crit and 1.5k spell dmg, pull a boss off the tank and get one shotted before the tank can pick it up.
If you do have really low spell dmg then Arcane Fire can increase your Dps but once you hit about 500 plus then Fire is the way to go.
Really, I've heard that 61 Arcane is good for 25 mans as well. Is that not a viable option as well? These mages swear by grouping with the shadowpriests though.
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ChicagoSid
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I have macro's to automaticly kick off trinkets when I kick off my Fireball's. I will recpect and see if that helps.. If you guys could post your armory setup i want to make sure I am selecting the correct items in each element. I want to make sure the 10/48/3 is a cookie cutter and not something that might have something different in the 10 or 48 section.
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SauceMaster
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10/48/3 build I've used before.
»www.wowhead.com/?talent=kf0VZxgMzfcfReRt0h
I prefer 5/5 Arcane Concentration over Magic Absorbtion.
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A little bit of info about trinkets. Most people forget to use them, or only use them once per boss fight, but the truth is, many boss fights last 8-12 minutes, and with 2 minute cooldowns on the majority of these trinkets, you can use this 4-6 times per boss fight. Stack two trinkets and you're going to be having 40% of your fighting time spent "trinketed".
As a shadowpriest, I have a macro that will attempt to use both my trinkets and then cast Vampyric Touch. Because activating a trinket doesn't activate a global cooldown, it will activate the trinket AND cast my spell at the same time. It's like casting, with no extra buttons. You never worry about whether or not you forgot a trinket, because you always remember to cast that spell.
As a mage, I recommend that you replace your fireball with this macro.
/use AAAAAAAAA
/use BBBBBBBBBB
/cast FIREBALL
When you setup the macro, have your character sheet open beside it.
Instead of AAAAA, shift click the trinket that you want to use. It'll put its name in there. If you have a second trinket that has "On Use" qualities, do the same thing for BBBBB. Then, close your character sheet, open your spellbook and shift click your highest rank fireball. It'll put that in that macro. Replace your fireball with that macro and watch your DPS skyrocket.
I have 1175 spell damage unbuffed. When you take into account Imp Spirit, mark of the wild, paladin buffs, food buffs, potions/elixirs, shaman totem placement and trinkets, I've seen myself hit 1600. That's when all of my stuff starts ticking in the quadruple digits. Pain, Touch, Flay.
Everyone I've shown regarding the trinkets swears by it. It jumps them from 8th to 10th to sometimes up to 2nd or 1st on the meters. It makes that much of an impact.
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Ok.. After a discussion with a fellow guild mate who is also a Mage I have decided to try this spec out.
»armory.worldofwarcraft.com/chara···a&n=Zaap
47/14/0
The key to this spec is the 40% threat reduction and the added damage and intel.
Spam Arcane Blast three times the Arcane Missles then Scorch. Repeat Arcane blast getting the bonus of the debuff but not suffering the mana hit.
I have my trinkets set on the Arcane Blast as a macro and I also have Arcane Power / POM / Pyroblast setup as a macro as well for a pretty powerfull Instant cast.
I have seen this spec in action and I will tell you its pretty impressive. Lots of damage in a short amount of time. the only draw back is making sure you have enough mana for a long fight.
On the Arcane Concentration clicks you can spam Arcane missles for an over 50% crit rate. Free damage at 0 cost to mana.
What do you fellow mages think?
Oh and I also get Slow.. and my bonus damage is at 970 now!!
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Sid , I think it could be a good spec ..maybe. I haven't played around with specs in awhile other than 33/28 Arcane/Fire and the 10/48/3.
Best thing to do is run a damage meter and compare to your fellow mages in the raid. I'm also a big believer of playing a spec your confident and comfortable with , given your not gimping the raid too much. I've seen way too many mages who can't handle their *glass cannon* with the 10/48/3 spec. Tons of DPS does you nil when you pull aggro and end up dead.
Let us know how it goes
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justanotherlock
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quote:/use AAAAAAAAA
/use BBBBBBBBBB
/cast FIREBALL
When you setup the macro, have your character sheet open beside it.
Instead of AAAAA, shift click the trinket that you want to use. It'll put its name in there. If you have a second trinket that has "On Use" qualities, do the same thing for BBBBB. Then, close your character sheet, open your spellbook and shift click your highest rank fireball. It'll put that in that macro. Replace your fireball with that macro and watch your DPS skyrocket.
I have been popping my trinkets manually, but this little bit of easy macro making looks like it needs to be attached to my shadowbolts. I rarely use macros because I never bothered to really learn the mechanics of them. Good advice from a fellow 'moonie, thanks
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chaud
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Speced deep arcane I have around 1180 dmg or so, havent been speced it in a long time, and have better gear now.
It is nice DPS, but you had better have a spriest, mana spring totem, and tons of pots because it eats mana like MAD.
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SauceMaster
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/stopcasting also helps.
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Archivis
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No raiding mage is worth their salt without using Quartz. That is unless you're sitting at 40ms latency to the server.
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Kearnstd
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you forgot the most important macro...
/more Cowbell
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Tiarath
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I roll a mage with the spec of 10/0/51.
This deep Frost spec is second best for PVE DPS, right after the fire nuker one (10/48/3). However, it offers more survivability and mana efficiency so it's worth considering.
The 10 points in Arcane give you some mana efficiency as well, in the form of less resists and the free Clearcasting Frostbolt. You will also be able to hold your head up high in grinding and PVP, so this build is a little bit of everything for everyone.
I can defiantly hold my own, and I've got less down time since it's not such a mana eater.
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My mage is still fairly under geared by my standards, but he currently has 996 spell damage and is a deep arcane frost, 40/0/21. fully buffed with arcane power, beserking (troll racial, doesnt effect spell damage but just kicks down the cast time), and gift of xi'ri i can crit for 5.6k, of course it takes luck but yeah, i always get those 4k frostbolt crits you were talking about, easy as pie when im not buffed . and i think this spec is better then the 10/0/51, but thats just my opinion after not critting for 4000 damage and only hitting for the same frostbolt damage
as mentioned 10/48/3 is the best raiding spec, and i always get dps'd by rogues, hunters (in most cases), and some locks...then them arcane fire mages
heres my mage: »armory.worldofwarcraft.com/chara···=Fattean
i am always locked in a battle for 3rd in DPS in kara, admittedly thats not too great for a 10 man and i dont do gruul with my guild so i cant tell you how good i am in 25 mans
i currently linked all the damage buffs together along with POM and an assist (so i cant grab aggro) and it helped my dps, so as mentioned, macros!
as for your spec, take slow away, its not good for much and can be put in better damage slots. the one place i will go away from what people have said is stay arcane, it is DEFINATELY the way to go for dps. My friend who i wont duel anymore or try to compete with in dps gets INSANE pyroblast crits that make me want to cry, he has one shotted my mage and 2 shotted my guilds MT. He is arcane fire and has the best gear he can for my guilds current progession and has upwards of 1200 spell damage, along with AP, POM, trinkets, he will make you cry. it might also grab aggro in raids though...
keep in mind if you want to optimize your dps you want as much spell damage as humanly possible and if you are deep arcane you want int and spell damage, dont sacrifice intellect for 1-2 spell damage if you are deep arcane for it could hurt you. im not sure if this is still accurate after TBC, but for each 1 spell damage as fire spec you gain 1 damage in fire spells, 1 spell damage in frost is .8
thats all what i believe, however i do rely heavily on my mages crit ratio so it isnt that dependable on some fights, but its always fun
i have also heard that a ZHC wont get a cooldown caused by, say, xi'ris gift, so it might be worth getting in that respect!