After going through the pains of this guild I was in; they wouldn't take the best group who could run kara without wiping and go the full distance instead they would change out the experienced with the less experienced people and you know what that leads too right?
For 3 months and to date they are still doing this. So finally I had it and cut them lose them as spending $15 for this game didn't really seem worth it. So I am looking for a new home, Scilla is too small of a server, I am looking for a server that is in the EST zone and has either more horde than alliance or about the same of both, but that isn't small, only medium to full.
Anyone have any suggetions? I also have a level 70 pally which is Prot and currently has 419 def, a undead rogue (my first toon when I started playing wow), 41 undead warrior, and other toons across other servers.
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Sounds like the problem you are having is with poor choices by the guild. I know the guild i am in, if you can't handle doing your job in Kara, you are booted or not invited back. Less experienced people need to get experience somehow and as long as they can play their class, they can do any instance. That being said, I don't know why your guild continues to accept wiping in Kara because a moron or two can't play their class. A small server may be the issue as there aren't enough players so you have to settle for what you can get.
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Our guild has a group of experienced raiders that are pretty well geared from Karazhan and a group of people that are fairly new to Karazhan and less well geared. Some weeks we run two groups through Kara. One with the well geared people who try to clear it and one with the lesser geared people who are trying to learn the fights. We'll throw one or two well geared people in with the lower group to help them out. Other weeks we only run one group and switch people out based on gear needs (and fight needs). After a couple of weeks, we're one shotting bosses with the lower geared group. And the big thing is that we're building a stronger guild so we can progress to 25 mans without having to fill out the raid with gimps.
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We have sign ups and typically invite more or less based on that. However last weekend we had the "elite" people mostly sign up and thats who went on Saturday night. We ended up downing 2 bosses in SSC we had never killed before. IMO just goes to show when you put your best players into a raid how much more productive you can be. I agree that newer players to a guild or less experienced need to have exposure to get better, but you can alot of that in 5 or 10 man instances. Sometimes people just plain suck and all the exposure to raids doesnt make them better ever
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Leathal
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Hey Nightfall,
Well you know it's funny when I moved my toons from Darkspear to Scilla I got hooked up with Brute Squad and found that there were people in the guild who where gear farmers, they would run instances until they had the best gear pieces. When Brute Squad disbanded into two groups and finally disbanding again the people who farm stuck together and formed Notorious, my point to all this is that I not being the complete gear farmer were I would have to farm the hours each day (like these guys do) applied to Notorious and was told by their best hunter "go run kara and get the leet drops then come and apply again".. I was saying to myself "if I had the best drops from Kara why would I even apply for your guild?".
I think people take World of Warcraft too serious especially when it comes to having the best of the best gear.
In my current state (look at armory) minue my PVP gloves which I change out for my T4 gloves I have been able to pull my own weight in Kara; I have even suggested to guilds that I would be more than happy to respec as I am not totally satisfied with being BM spec as I don't have the awesome gear that it takes to be a awesome BM raider.
The other problem I have with Scilla is it's size and the fact I end up having to wait for hours to get into Tempest Keep, SH, any of the instances I can run to get better gear to improve my stats.
Armory; you know the URL, just look up Natahuata -> Scilla
Natahuata was my true 2nd toon in WoW, my first which is level 62 now is my rogue; Dithrissia who is also on Scilla.
LFANH! (Look for a new home)
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Nice Footballdude... You guys set a good example, reminds me of a couple of guilds I was in when on Darkspear who did the same kind of thing for MC (but only one run at a time) which helped me learn the steps and timing of each boss take down or mob cl earing.
Which server are you on?
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"Sometimes people just plain suck and all the exposure to raids doesn't make them better ever" - I agree with this comment in some ways... I have found the players we like to call crappy players some times plays better with different players; its still people on the other end playing WoW and since there are over 3.5 million WoW players its bound to happen that some people don't mix period.
"I agree that newer players to a guild or less experienced need to have exposure to get better, but you can a lot of that in 5 or 10 man instances" - Yes and No. More NO though, the reason for it is because you can't compare Mech to Kara, both are differently laid out, have different bosses that do different attacks and require more or less DPS from certain classes. Plus everything is a time issue, if you don't taken down certain bosses in Kara in a certain amount of time the mobs respawn, that never happens in Mech.
The principle of killing mobs and bosses are the same but the rest of it isn't and you can't really use the straight out experience from Mech on Kara.
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said by Leathal See Profile :
Which server are you on?
Tanaris. From what I can see there's only two decent horde raiding guilds on Tanaris, with the top (most advanced) guild being Aristocracy. It's a low pop server and there's one non raiding guild with about 500 people in it which kind of chews up the raiding pool. Most of the other guilds I've seen have only about 30 people and only run the same ten people through Karazhan over and over, just looking to expand their own gear collection.
I feel your pain on the five mans. None of the raiders ever really want to run five mans, so if I want to I have to PUG it and usually just put myself in the LFG screen while I do something else. Sometimes I'll go all night without ever hearing anything. Except for Mechanar. Being a warlock, I get called for Mech all the time from people I don't know.
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I've been looking for a new server for a long time.
east coast servers doesn't exist.
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Ugg. Low pop servers are the pits. Moved to the more cross-pollenated super-full population of Blackrock, and I couldn't be happier. Not quite raiding yet (since most are in other country's times) but I don't wait more than a few minutes for *anything*. Alts, mains, whatever...you need a group and people are running it.
I just remember the "established" low-pop server I came from. Everyone expected super gear for their squads....yet there was a MINIMUM 2 hour wait for a group to form.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather grab myself and friends and be playing in minutes for an instance, rather than climbing DKP & epics for only a few hour window me and my friends may or may not make.
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Join eonar man... great server, and you might see leeroy in a couple of battlegrounds =D
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Gurubashi is PST, but most guilds raid during EST raiding hours, 6pm-12pm server. Horde finished TK a few nights ago, starting on Hyjal, Alliance have finished Hyjal and working on BT (I think).
People mostly xfer to our server for PvP though, we aren't the best at pve.
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The clamor for new servers is retarded, and I don't know why Blizzard listens to them. Basically, there's a small clique of rather noisy forum folks that want to be king of something, bug Blizzard for new servers, and they cave. For the first few weeks, all is well as the powerlevelers take off and everyone visits to roll up a novelty toon or two. In the course of months, nearly everyone not in the wannabe-kings group has dropped their toon, and you now have a desolate ghost town server. The situation just caves in on itself (ie. nobody around to run anything, nobody left to farm anything, etc.) and thus the same trolls flock to Blizzard to start the cycle over again.
I honestly don't like the World of Schedulecraft (or Boredomcraft, etc.), so a server where I don't need to wait for a prime-time window for action is much more crucial than seeing content and/or getting gear. Given enough people, I'll find something that works to push the content envelope. And as for gear...gear's f***ing pointless if you have nobody to even play with. I enjoy running things with personal friends when they stop by, and a high pop server lets me fill in those slots easy as hell.
Again, having a 2 hour minimum wait time per group, per instance, blows balls.
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Tanaris horde side is kinda crappy. Poor horde to alliance ratio, all the truly dedicated horde raiders are in aristocracy (or if they aren't, aristocracy doesn't mind recruiting people already in guilds, can't really blame them, there's not much to choose from), then there is the big guild, don't remember their name, but they are about 500 strong like football dude says. Thats a good percentage of horde.
I'm in Jaded, we've cleared kara, waiting on some more healers to get to 70 for a 2nd team and hopefully 25 man stuff. I think we're ranked 6th overall and 3rd horde side as far as progression. So that right there should tell you enough about Tanaris horde. Pretty sad state of affairs. It would be cool if they'd merge Tanaris, but its not a ghost town so that'll never happen. Its a medium pop, low pop server. LFG is worthless and the AH isn't very populated. As much as I don't like it though thats where all my friends are Good people definatly make up for the crappy server.
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Again, having a 2 hour minimum wait time per group, per instance, blows balls.
Guru recently moved from medium to high, but don't expect to find very fast non 70 instance groups. Mostly get run through those by your guild. Heroics are pugged and guilds sometimes do it. Most guilds on Guru raid from 4pm-1am server (Not the whole time, but some of it in there). There is one guild that I know of that raids 1pm-5pm, and we have a brazillian guild that raids in the morning eastern. As long as you are in a decent guild, runs will not be that hard to find for 70 instances.
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said by kywirelessgu See Profile :
I'm in Jaded, we've cleared kara, waiting on some more healers to get to 70 for a 2nd team and hopefully 25 man stuff. I think we're ranked 6th overall and 3rd horde side as far as progression.
Where do you find the progression rankings? I think KTown Sluggers have cleared Karazhan, and Generates Threat has cleared everything but Nethersprite. I think Aristocracy is still in SSC and I think they're the only ones.
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we dropped to 7th, and we're actually listed as 2nd place horde side.
These rankings are kinda lame though, they base it on bosses killed and loot picked up. Server transfers screw with the results. It takes a few days to update. But its fun to look at anyway.
It shows K-town as not having killed netherspite, but that could just be because it hasn't updated yet.
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There is one guild that I know of that raids 1pm-5pm, and we have a brazillian guild that raids in the morning eastern. As long as you are in a decent guild, runs will not be that hard to find for 70 instances.
Again, I really don't feel that I should have to pre-sign up for "assisted" 5-manning. I like sitting down, turning on LFG, and going in a matter of minutes - nomatter what time I get on. Having to meet a server/guild's prime-time to even have a prayer to get a group is pretty bleh.